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Published on March 5, 2009 By GunslingerBara In Demigod

Hello everyone,

As Stardock's web developer, I was tasked with creating a statistics website for Demigod using the ungodly amount of data we (will) have available to us.  That website is now located at http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com.  A bunch of you already saw the "beta" version a few weeks back.  While this site is still a beta, I am happy enough with it to remove the beta message that was at the top of the page in the previous version.

Today I pushed an update that added a bunch of new statistics, pages, and a slight redesign. Starting today I will be keeping a log of changes to the site in this post.  I will also be checking for any suggestions, ideas, or feedback you guys may have on the site, so feel free to reply with any ideas. 

Please keep in mind that the site is still a work in progress.  Some numbers are still off, the design will likely be changed some more, and we will be adding more statistics in the future.  It will likely be updated a few more times before Demigod's release.

Change Log:
9/21/2009
- Fixed how player stats are saved to the database, so custom games now count for Ladder Rankings/Experience (not all custom games though, just ranked custom games).
- Added Notes tab to player pages. This will allow you to view and manage private notes for other players, which will eventually appear within Demigod itself. Only you can view notes you've written, and you cannot view other's notes or notes written about you.
- The player stats on the left side of the primary player page now includes a small description for each stat.
- Fixed minor bugs with graphs.
- Fixed other minor bugs.

6/5/2009
- Added "Ladder" stats and rankings, which include Skirmish and Pantheon games.
- Updated "Overall" stats to include everything, Overall is not ranked.
- Added Tournament Stats to player stats page.
- Player's games listing now shows "NA" if a game is not counted.
- Updated search page to show more information and be more informative.
- Updated achievements page, it will be turned on when the stats are reset.
- Other minor bug fixes and design changes.

5/18/2009
- Added graphs for each Pantheon tournament.
- Added graphs for maps.
- Added graphs for Demigods.
- Minor bug fixes.
- More changes to back-end for API.

5/11/2009
- Player stat charts!  Go to any player's initial page and you'll see some cool new charts and a slightly different layout.
- New tournament lists page (click on View All Tournaments at the bottom of any Pantheon page).
- Added current team progress chart (by percentage) to the right of the Pantheon page.
- Minor performance and back-end tweaks.

4/29/2009
- Lots of back-end changes to prepare for public API.
- Added sorting options to the Top Demigods and Maps pages.
- Updated all pages to make a more consistent error message system.
- Updated player search to avoid certain errors.

4/24/2009
- Maps statistics!  You can now view overall statistics for each map, as well as how you did on each map.
- Fixed up some search issues.
- Added "Skirmish Statistics" to the player info page, on the bar to the right (click on Overall Statistics to see a dropdown).
- The games list now shows the game name.
- Tons of changes in the backend to make things faster and more accurate.

4/9/2009
- Added Top Demigods section, showing which Demigods are being used the most, win the most, etc.
- Added Demigods tab to player info page, showing which Demigods each player has played their stats for that Demigod (note: stats are inaccurate for the time being).
- Added Skirmish Rankings tab to Top Players.
- Major changes to how we are collecting stats and data.
- Minor image and backend changes.

4/7/2009
- Added sorting to games list, search sorting coming later.
- Added small arrow icons to headers to show you which column is currently sorted, and in which direction.
- Updated games listing to make it more readable, added a new page for each game for extended info (click on the date to see the page).
- Minor background changes.

3/31/2009
- Sorting now works on rankings pages, has not yet been implemented into other pages.
- Search page columns slightly tweaked.
- Search bar now works properly in Chrome.
- Player info page now shows rank and favor points for overall and custom game stats.
- Other minor changes.

3/23/2009
- New design!
- Added experience and overall rank to search page.  All search statistics should now be "overall" statistics, not custom game or tournament stats.
- All pages now have proper headers and titles, should make things easier to navigate and harder to get lost.
- Player info page now shows the player's avatar and lists tournaments the player has participated in by default.
- General player statistics are now relegated to the right side of the player info page.  Clicking on "Overall Stats" will dropdown a box that allows you to switch between overall and custom game stats.
- Search box now submits by pressing enter.
- Added message to bottom of ranking page saying "Note: Rankings are updated once daily at midnight EST."
- Small presentation changes for numbers and dates.

3/10/2009
- Added new "Experience" rating on nearly any page that shows a player.
- You can now see what team a player is on for tournament rankings.
- Games list now shows the game type (Conquest, Flag Control, etc.).
- Added player count for each team on the tournament info page (note: this may not be accurate at the moment).
- Added "Top Clans" button that redirects to nowhere (for now).
- Renamed all instances of "Skirmish" to "Custom Games" (let me know if you find any I missed).
- Added tabs to top of rankings pages to switch between Overall rankings and Custom Game rankings.
- All instances of "Forces of Dark" renamed to "Forces of Darkness."
- Minor design, wording, and bug fixes.

3/5/2009
- Redesigned the player page and added tabs for separating stats in a more user-friendly manner.
- Added a player search bar to all Pantheon pages (top right corner).
- Separated skirmish, overall, and tournament stats into individual pages.
- Added an achievements page, but data is inaccurate (see Known Bugs below).
- You can now view a list of games a player has played.
- Clicking on any rank number will take you to the rankings list with that player highlighted.
- Added 2 buttons at the top of the page: Pantheon Tournaments and Top Players.
- "Pantheon Tournaments" button will take you to the latest (active or inactive) Pantheon tournament.
- Top Players now shows overall top players, not skirmish top players.
- Tournament information page now shows each team, the top players for that team, and the team's information.

Once again, the Pantheon statistics website is located at http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com.  I look forward to your feedback!

Bara


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on Mar 11, 2009

You're welcome. Glad to help.

Got one more for you.

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/search/player/ravebomb

The fifth column is "Skirmish Rank"  Not sure if that is intended to be a Custom Game rank or not.

 

And the "press enter to search" works in Firefox.

on Mar 11, 2009

So, what criteria would you use to "win a tournement?" 

Skill ranking or Favor Points?  The better skilled player may get less points....

on Mar 11, 2009

I've decided not to push the update I have now.  I'm working on coding the new design now and will push that when it's finished.  Expect it later this week (or early next week if time flies).

RaveBomb
You're welcome. Glad to help.

Got one more for you.

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/search/player/ravebomb

The fifth column is "Skirmish Rank"  Not sure if that is intended to be a Custom Game rank or not.

And the "press enter to search" works in Firefox.

Already found this one, but thanks   I did a search in the entire project for "skirmish" and replaced all occurrences.

blackt1ger
So, what criteria would you use to "win a tournement?" 

Skill ranking or Favor Points?  The better skilled player may get less points....

A Pantheon tournament is won by a team, the first team to reach a specific number of goal points wins.  The goal points are the amount of favor points players receive whilst playing a game.

Bara

on Mar 11, 2009

I'm so confused. 

In http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/tournaments/8/ I show up rank 4

In http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/rankings/tournament/8/ I show up as rank 76 

All other data is the same - I have played a game since the last statistic update.

on Mar 12, 2009

Since my own stats are what I know -

Games:

5 and 6

I wasn't in either of these games but they show up on my stats.  I know Tman was testing in one of them, but what about the other?

Also

- first and second page of games played is the same games, duplicated.  I can't tell if the stats are also duplicated.

- Winning Streak is not recording properly

- Losses and Losing Streak don't have backup.  I don't think I ever lost 5 games in a row?  

- Rank, games played, and W/L is different on different pages

Thanks

 

on Mar 12, 2009

blackt1ger
I'm so confused. 

In http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/tournaments/8/ I show up rank 4

In http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/rankings/tournament/8/ I show up as rank 76 

All other data is the same - I have played a game since the last statistic update.

The first link lists you as being ranked 4 for your team, the Forces of Light.  As in, you are ranked 4th against all of the people who play as the Forces of Light, but NOT the Forces of Darkness.  The second link disregards the team and simply pools everyone together for the tournament.

I admit that it is a bit confusing.  The new design should amend that when I complete it, and I'm always open to suggestions!

Ke5trel
Since my own stats are what I know -

Games:

5 and 6

I wasn't in either of these games but they show up on my stats.  I know Tman was testing in one of them, but what about the other?

Also

- first and second page of games played is the same games, duplicated.  I can't tell if the stats are also duplicated.

- Winning Streak is not recording properly

- Losses and Losing Streak don't have backup.  I don't think I ever lost 5 games in a row?  

- Rank, games played, and W/L is different on different pages

Thanks

 

I will check and see why those games are showing up under your name.  Are you certain you did not play those games?  It could be an issue of your name simply not showing up due to some other condition, but you actually did play the game.  If you didn't play the game at all then the issue is more complex than I'm think it is.

(EDIT: According to the database, you were in both of those games, but the TeamID wasn't set, which is why you aren't showing up in the games list.  This will be addressed for the next beta or by game launch.)

First and second page showing same games: fixed.

Winning streak not recording: I'm assuming you mean that you won a game and checked the stats and found the winning streak to be wrong.  Did anyone quit during the game?  How many players were there?  Which game specifically was it that you played and won where the winning streak wasn't updated properly?

Losing streak:  What do you mean by backup?  Do you mean that the current losing streak doesn't reset after you win a game?  Or that the largest losing streak is too high? 

W/L being different: The first page you linked shows the Overall W/L ratio, the second shows the custom games W/L ratio.  It would make more sense for searches to show the overall stats rather than the Custom Game stats, so I'll update that with the design.

Thanks for your feedback!

Bara

on Mar 12, 2009

(EDIT: According to the database, you were in both of those games, but the TeamID wasn't set, which is why you aren't showing up in the games list. This will be addressed for the next beta or by game launch.)

I can tell you with total assurance that I was not in either of these games in any capacity.  However, I did attempt to join both of them, and might have been in the game lobby for them.  I either timed out or quit out of both lobbies well before the game started, though.  The players in the games are accurate, afaik, but the system is logging the games to my ID even though I didn't play them.

Winning streak not recording: I'm assuming you mean that you won a game and checked the stats and found the winning streak to be wrong. Did anyone quit during the game? How many players were there? Which game specifically was it that you played and won where the winning streak wasn't updated properly?

I think I might see it - do Pantheon games not count towards winning streaks?  Because between game 7 and 13 I have 6 wins in a row but my winning streak records as 5?  One of those games was Pantheon.  This makes sense too because it says current streak is two wins but I actually have 4 including Pantheon.  If you are going to differentiate on a stats basis like that then I would suggest making it very clear that Pantheon games are not recorded for prupose of streaks.  I might even say take Pantheon games out and make a seperate page for them.

Losing streak: What do you mean by backup? Do you mean that the current losing streak doesn't reset after you win a game? Or that the largest losing streak is too high?

I can't recall losing 5 times in a row.  It doesn't mean it didn't happen, but if the games list you corrected (cheers) is accurate then I don't see the backup for a 5 game losing streak even discounting pantheon?

W/L being different: The first page you linked shows the Overall W/L ratio, the second shows the custom games W/L ratio. It would make more sense for searches to show the overall stats rather than the Custom Game stats, so I'll update that with the design.

Makes sense, thanks Bara

 

 

on Mar 12, 2009

Last two game are missing someone.  They were 3v3, with no disconnects:

1 March 12, 2009 Custom Game
(Conquest)
Leviathan
Lost Socks (Oak)
jams112 (Regulus)
Trigeminal (Regulus)
Flurus (Unclean Beast)
gpg_somedude (Rook)
145 Won
2 March 12, 2009 Custom Game
(Conquest)
Cataract
Lost Socks (Oak)
jams112 (Queen of Thorns)
Trigeminal (Regulus)
Flurus (Rook)
FrohDoh (Torch Bearer)
90 Won
on Mar 13, 2009

For some reason early disconnects are not showing up I have complete games that don't show up in stats from early disconnects

on Mar 13, 2009

My last custom game was done with an easy ai and filthy rich to test out a theory.  It shows I won that match but no player or favor info is present:

1 March 13, 2009 Custom Game
(Conquest)
Leviathan
0 Won
on Mar 15, 2009

I'm really liking the Pantheon my connection is usually solid and the game runs great. However i think i may have encountered a bug. NO ONE responds to the chat. I'm wondering if they can even read it. It almost feels like I'm playing with Bots. It's agonizing to watch people run into an enemy base blindly during a Slaughter match.

 

on Mar 15, 2009

carpwrist
I'm really liking the Pantheon my connection is usually solid and the game runs great. However i think i may have encountered a bug. NO ONE responds to the chat. I'm wondering if they can even read it. It almost feels like I'm playing with Bots. It's agonizing to watch people run into an enemy base blindly during a Slaughter match.

 

If you're "carpewrist" in the game, I think I played a game with you yesterday.  I don't remember you talking, but you were on the Forces of Light, right?  Probably you just pushed Enter, which sends to allies, and not Shift-Enter, which sends to all -- and yes, I'm pretty sure everyone else on your team and on my team was a bot.  You can't tell who isn't by looking at ping times, btw: a non-zero ping time tells you that *someone* is not a bot, but ping times seem to be assigned starting with the first member of the Forces of Light and going downwards.  (presumably that'll be fixed by release)  I've played Pantheon games where the other human was on the Forces of Darkness with me, and you wouldn't have known from the Tab display (I didn't realize until recently, in fact).

on Mar 17, 2009

Stats still not showing up correctly with correct favor

on Mar 17, 2009

What is experience?  How do we gain it?  Why is it currently used for ranking instead of favor?  When are we going to have an ELO/ranking discussion with brad and the rest of the team?

on Mar 17, 2009

I would like to put my vote in for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glicko_rating_system instead of ELO.  ELO is great if you want to be able to do the calculations in your head but overall it's a simplistic system that has some notable downsides.

Glicko on the other hand tends to be more encouraging of players to keep playing games even when they have a high rank (unlike ELO which discourages it) and it also doesn't hurt well ranked players as much when they play against someone with an uncertain rating (ie: a new player or someone who has suddenly come into a lot of skill).

ELO was good, then Glicko and computers came out.

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