Demigod Pantheon Statistics - Log/Info/Suggestions

I want suggestions!

Published on March 5, 2009 By GunslingerBara In Demigod

Hello everyone,

As Stardock's web developer, I was tasked with creating a statistics website for Demigod using the ungodly amount of data we (will) have available to us. That website is now located at http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com. A bunch of you already saw the "beta" version a few weeks back. While this site is still a beta, I am happy enough with it to remove the beta message that was at the top of the page in the previous version.

Today I pushed an update that added a bunch of new statistics, pages, and a slight redesign. Starting today I will be keeping a log of changes to the site in this post. I will also be checking for any suggestions, ideas, or feedback you guys may have on the site, so feel free to reply with any ideas.

Please keep in mind that the site is still a work in progress. Some numbers are still off, the design will likely be changed some more, and we will be adding more statistics in the future. It will likely be updated a few more times before Demigod's release.

Change Log:
9/21/2009
- Fixed how player stats are saved to the database, so custom games now count for Ladder Rankings/Experience (not all custom games though, just ranked custom games).
- Added Notes tab to player pages. This will allow you to view and manage private notes for other players, which will eventually appear within Demigod itself. Only you can view notes you've written, and you cannot view other's notes or notes written about you.
- The player stats on the left side of the primary player page now includes a small description for each stat.
- Fixed minor bugs with graphs.
- Fixed other minor bugs.

6/5/2009
- Added "Ladder" stats and rankings, which include Skirmish and Pantheon games.
- Updated "Overall" stats to include everything, Overall is not ranked.
- Added Tournament Stats to player stats page.
- Player's games listing now shows "NA" if a game is not counted.
- Updated search page to show more information and be more informative.
- Updated achievements page, it will be turned on when the stats are reset.
- Other minor bug fixes and design changes.

5/18/2009
- Added graphs for each Pantheon tournament.
- Added graphs for maps.
- Added graphs for Demigods.
- Minor bug fixes.
- More changes to back-end for API.

5/11/2009
- Player stat charts! Go to any player's initial page and you'll see some cool new charts and a slightly different layout.
- New tournament lists page (click on View All Tournaments at the bottom of any Pantheon page).
- Added current team progress chart (by percentage) to the right of the Pantheon page.
- Minor performance and back-end tweaks.

4/29/2009
- Lots of back-end changes to prepare for public API.
- Added sorting options to the Top Demigods and Maps pages.
- Updated all pages to make a more consistent error message system.
- Updated player search to avoid certain errors.

4/24/2009
- Maps statistics! You can now view overall statistics for each map, as well as how you did on each map.
- Fixed up some search issues.
- Added "Skirmish Statistics" to the player info page, on the bar to the right (click on Overall Statistics to see a dropdown).
- The games list now shows the game name.
- Tons of changes in the backend to make things faster and more accurate.

4/9/2009
- Added Top Demigods section, showing which Demigods are being used the most, win the most, etc.
- Added Demigods tab to player info page, showing which Demigods each player has played their stats for that Demigod (note: stats are inaccurate for the time being).
- Added Skirmish Rankings tab to Top Players.
- Major changes to how we are collecting stats and data.
- Minor image and backend changes.

4/7/2009
- Added sorting to games list, search sorting coming later.
- Added small arrow icons to headers to show you which column is currently sorted, and in which direction.
- Updated games listing to make it more readable, added a new page for each game for extended info (click on the date to see the page).
- Minor background changes.

3/31/2009
- Sorting now works on rankings pages, has not yet been implemented into other pages.
- Search page columns slightly tweaked.
- Search bar now works properly in Chrome.
- Player info page now shows rank and favor points for overall and custom game stats.
- Other minor changes.

3/23/2009
- New design!
- Added experience and overall rank to search page. All search statistics should now be "overall" statistics, not custom game or tournament stats.
- All pages now have proper headers and titles, should make things easier to navigate and harder to get lost.
- Player info page now shows the player's avatar and lists tournaments the player has participated in by default.
- General player statistics are now relegated to the right side of the player info page. Clicking on "Overall Stats" will dropdown a box that allows you to switch between overall and custom game stats.
- Search box now submits by pressing enter.
- Added message to bottom of ranking page saying "Note: Rankings are updated once daily at midnight EST."
- Small presentation changes for numbers and dates.

3/10/2009
- Added new "Experience" rating on nearly any page that shows a player.
- You can now see what team a player is on for tournament rankings.
- Games list now shows the game type (Conquest, Flag Control, etc.).
- Added player count for each team on the tournament info page (note: this may not be accurate at the moment).
- Added "Top Clans" button that redirects to nowhere (for now).
- Renamed all instances of "Skirmish" to "Custom Games" (let me know if you find any I missed).
- Added tabs to top of rankings pages to switch between Overall rankings and Custom Game rankings.
- All instances of "Forces of Dark" renamed to "Forces of Darkness."
- Minor design, wording, and bug fixes.

3/5/2009
- Redesigned the player page and added tabs for separating stats in a more user-friendly manner.
- Added a player search bar to all Pantheon pages (top right corner).
- Separated skirmish, overall, and tournament stats into individual pages.
- Added an achievements page, but data is inaccurate (see Known Bugs below).
- You can now view a list of games a player has played.
- Clicking on any rank number will take you to the rankings list with that player highlighted.
- Added 2 buttons at the top of the page: Pantheon Tournaments and Top Players.
- "Pantheon Tournaments" button will take you to the latest (active or inactive) Pantheon tournament.
- Top Players now shows overall top players, not skirmish top players.
- Tournament information page now shows each team, the top players for that team, and the team's information.

Once again, the Pantheon statistics website is located at http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com. I look forward to your feedback!

Bara

Comments (Page 2)

Ke5trel

on Mar 07, 2009

hmmm, this is interesting - I'm showing losses for games I wasn't in?

3/7/2009 3:52:16 PM

Skirmish

Leviathan

Gabberkooij (Regulus)

Ove Melaa (Torch Bearer)

[SDS] T-Man (Unclean Beast)

zenithian (Unclean Beast)

Lost

Ke5trel

on Mar 07, 2009

I would have edited this into last post but it wouldn't let me:

I'm seeing more and more ragequits, which force the remaining players to eject the player which kicks the game out for stats consideration

Hopefully you guys have a fix in the works for this, because leavers suck...

Fire-Ice

on Mar 07, 2009

I hope they straight up reset the ladder on launch. It would be very daunting to see someone with 200 wins 2 hours after the game "released" and would discourage people from playing quite easily...

Not to mention this beta has losses that could be accounted for imbalances, disconnects, etc.

Don't wanna see a hit to my stats because someone decided they didn't wanna play anymore.

blackt1ger

on Mar 08, 2009

Suggestion: Cross - listed stats - Find all games that have any two players. For extra credit: any three players

That way a person can see if they ever played another person and what the results were.....

Leveller

on Mar 08, 2009

In top players in tournaments would like to see if player was playing for light or dark

Fire-ice it has been mentioned before that all tables will be cleared on game release

Trigeminal

on Mar 08, 2009

I was actually planning to make a post on this topic and the changes I tjhought needed to be made. Might help if this was shifted to Dev Diary folder. Anyways, I have a few suggestions/bugs:

1) I would absolutely love to click on a game in my list and see the stats shown at victory. I want to see stats and awards both listed.

2) I couple games on my list don't have me as a player, for example:

3/6/2009 4:29:45 PM

Skirmish

These errors curently account for 4 of my loses.

3) Forces of Dark don't always show player, instead they are listed under forces of light.

GunslingerBara

on Mar 09, 2009

Ke5trel

reply 12

We'll look into it. Thanks for pointing it out. Would you happen to have any specific games where this happened?
Sure -

on 3/4 I played a game at around 10:55 pm EST. Fire-Ice and me vs TupacMike and one other player - let's call him "Furious." The game lasted 41 minutes and immediately after the enemy citadel fell Furious disconnected and we got the "Lost connection - Eject player?" screen. After a minute I selected to eject Furious, AI took over for the 4 seconds it took us to hit the stats screen, and the game was discarded from stat consideration.

It all makes sense, because Furious lost connection and we ejected him the game doesn't count. The issue is that it's pretty clear he lost connection on purpose, and unless we want to look at the "Lost connection - Eject player?" screen forever or give up on meaningful stats with anyone who know how to pull a cable we need another option.

Track Ejections? If you can keep people from ejecting willy-nilly this might be the practical option, because then when you see someone with perfect stats but 600 ejects you know what's happening.

or

If a player times out for longer than 90 seconds it counts as a disconnect and the game continues with AI? That might be rough for the people who legitimately lose connection, but 90 seconds is a long time.

or

If a player is ejected within 1 minute of game end the game is still counted for stats purposes. I don't know if you can do this, but it might be the best from a gamer's perspective.

Thank you for the info. I've let the developer in charge of networking know about the issue and this topic, so hopefully she will resolve it soon.

HorseRadish

reply 13

How about Favor Item Tracking would be interesting to see how often a favor item is used?

We do have access to that information, so I could potentially provide such stats on the site. However, we already discussed this and I believe we ultimately decided to keep it hidden for the time being. This may change, of course, at a later time (or if enough people request it ).

RaveBomb

reply 14

- Demigod statistics: A list of each Demigod with overall statistics of how players do using that Demigod, as well as how each individual player does using each Demigod.
Can we extend that to the skills bought? I'm not asking for what people used on a per-match basis, but more of an overall trend.

EG:

when people used Sedna they bought:

Pounce I 100% of the time.

Heal I 75% of the time

Heal II 50% of the time

Life's Child 2% of the time

etc...

We have data for the favor items that you can buy 1 of per game, but we unfortunately do not have access to the other data yet. When we do gain access to such information, I'll be sure to update the site with it, but at the moment it isn't available to us.

ACDalzK

reply 15

First of all, awesome work on the ladder page. Visually and statistically things have really improved and look great - though its obviously still pretty bug

Im curious as to how D/C's will be recorded? If a player D/C's how will the ladder record it and will it turn up as a D/C, Loss or unrecorded match in the ladder?

For the time being we ARE collecting disconnect stats, but we are not yet differentiating between early quits, disconnects, and end-game leaves. We want to be able to allow players to leave the game at the end regardless if they are losing or quitting, and have the stats still count. However, all of this is still up in the air. I'll keep you updated.

Ke5trel

reply 16

hmmm, this is interesting - I'm showing losses for games I wasn't in?

1
3/7/2009 3:52:16 PM
Skirmish
Leviathan

Gabberkooij (Regulus)
Ove Melaa (Torch Bearer)
[SDS] T-Man (Unclean Beast)
zenithian (Unclean Beast)
0
Lost

Thanks for the bug report, I'll check my queries to make sure it's returning the proper data. However, considering T-Man was in that game, I wouldn't be suprised if this was some testing data.

Ke5trel

reply 17

I would have edited this into last post but it wouldn't let me:

I'm seeing more and more ragequits, which force the remaining players to eject the player which kicks the game out for stats consideration

Hopefully you guys have a fix in the works for this, because leavers suck...

As stated above, the developer knows of this issue and will hopefully fix it soon. Apologies for the loss of these games' stats.

Fire-Ice

reply 18

No worries, we definitely plan on resetting everything before launch. Or at least, I'll be fighting to do so

blackt1ger

reply 19

Suggestion: Cross - listed stats - Find all games that have any two players. For extra credit: any three players

That way a person can see if they ever played another person and what the results were.....

Good idea, I'll see about implementing it. Thank you for the suggestion!

Leveller

reply 20

In top players in tournaments would like to see if player was playing for light or dark

Fire-ice it has been mentioned before that all tables will be cleared on game release

Yes, having which team the player was on is an important statistic, I'll be sure to add it. Thank you for the suggestion.

Trigeminal

reply 21

I was actually planning to make a post on this topic and the changes I tjhought needed to be made. Might help if this was shifted to Dev Diary folder. Anyways, I have a few suggestions/bugs:

1) I would absolutely love to click on a game in my list and see the stats shown at victory. I want to see stats and awards both listed.

2) I couple games on my list don't have me as a player, for example:

4
3/6/2009 4:29:45 PM
Skirmish

These errors curently account for 4 of my loses.

3) Forces of Dark don't always show player, instead they are listed under forces of light.

1. As stated above, we unfortunately do not have access to those end-game stats that Demigod returns at this time.

2. Also as stated above, I'll be looking into my queries to see what the issue is. Did someone quit in this game at any time?

3. I noticed the Forces of Darkness players not always appearing, but I did not realize that they were appearing under Forces of Light. How sure are you of this?

Bara

Ke5trel

on Mar 09, 2009

We have not yet decided on how to handle disconnects, especially considering the different types of D/C's that can happen. If may happen accidentally, the user may quit, etc. In games like Starcraft, disconnects at the end of the game are ok and actually encouraged; if you know you're going to lose, why continue playing for another 10 minutes? I like this mentality and have been pushing to implement it for Demigod as well.

For the time being we ARE collecting disconnect stats, but we are not yet differentiating between early quits, disconnects, and end-game leaves. We want to be able to allow players to leave the game at the end regardless if they are losing or quitting, and have the stats still count. However, all of this is still up in the air. I'll keep you updated.

Sounds like you are on top of it, thanks Bara. FWIW I also like being able to leave if you are losing as long as you take the loss. I think forced ejects should also count as a loss or at least show up in stats as a DC.

Ralsar

on Mar 09, 2009

GunslingerBara

reply 22

3. I noticed the Forces of Darkness players not always appearing, but I did not realize that they were appearing under Forces of Light. How sure are you of this?

Bara

I just tested it and I am 100% sure. I just played a Pantheon game. It was Sedna (me), Rook, Rook, Rook vs TB, QoT, QoT, QoT. This is how it shows up on the games list

Game Date

Tournament

Map

Forces of Light

Forces of Dark

Favor Points

Result

3/9/2009 11:45:48 AM

Pantheon (Beta 3)

Prison

shirapyon (Rook)

thunder (Rook)

vicious (Rook)

Lort (Queen of Thorns)

Aono (Queen of Thorns)

Nicht (Queen of Thorns)

Horkish (Torch Bearer)

Ralsar (Sedna)

120

Won

GunslingerBara

on Mar 09, 2009

Alright, thank you for the data. I'll take a look and see why it's doing that. It may be an issue of the game not sending the proper TeamID at game completion. Did anyone quit during this game? Or any other odd event (disconnect, odd bug with networking, etc.)?

Bara

Ralsar

on Mar 09, 2009

No everyone was AI but me and the game completed successfully

Trigeminal

on Mar 09, 2009

GunslingerBara

reply 22

3. I noticed the Forces of Darkness players not always appearing, but I did not realize that they were appearing under Forces of Light. How sure are you of this?

Bara

Very sure. A lot of mine are pantheon based and so when you see TB or QoT or UB on the forces of light in a pantheon game, it is clear the stats are just not pulling stuff quite right. (sorry for the mess of a sentence there.)

Trigeminal

on Mar 09, 2009

Ralsar

reply 1

No everyone was AI but me and the game completed successfully

Same in my cases.

RaveBomb

on Mar 09, 2009

I've just looked back at my game details as well and I also see everybody being on the light side.

I don't recall anything weird happening in regards to abnormal game endings. Just click panthion, play, end, return to menu, repeat.

Gabberkooij

on Mar 09, 2009

An overview where for each demigod is shown how many times it has slain (or assisted) another demigod. We might see patterns there in time.

Rook slays 400 rooks (500 assists), 304 UB (100 assists) etc

Of course this should be in a nice table

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