Demigod Pantheon Statistics - Log/Info/Suggestions

I want suggestions!

Published on March 5, 2009 By GunslingerBara In Demigod

Hello everyone,

As Stardock's web developer, I was tasked with creating a statistics website for Demigod using the ungodly amount of data we (will) have available to us. That website is now located at http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com. A bunch of you already saw the "beta" version a few weeks back. While this site is still a beta, I am happy enough with it to remove the beta message that was at the top of the page in the previous version.

Today I pushed an update that added a bunch of new statistics, pages, and a slight redesign. Starting today I will be keeping a log of changes to the site in this post. I will also be checking for any suggestions, ideas, or feedback you guys may have on the site, so feel free to reply with any ideas.

Please keep in mind that the site is still a work in progress. Some numbers are still off, the design will likely be changed some more, and we will be adding more statistics in the future. It will likely be updated a few more times before Demigod's release.

Change Log:
9/21/2009
- Fixed how player stats are saved to the database, so custom games now count for Ladder Rankings/Experience (not all custom games though, just ranked custom games).
- Added Notes tab to player pages. This will allow you to view and manage private notes for other players, which will eventually appear within Demigod itself. Only you can view notes you've written, and you cannot view other's notes or notes written about you.
- The player stats on the left side of the primary player page now includes a small description for each stat.
- Fixed minor bugs with graphs.
- Fixed other minor bugs.

6/5/2009
- Added "Ladder" stats and rankings, which include Skirmish and Pantheon games.
- Updated "Overall" stats to include everything, Overall is not ranked.
- Added Tournament Stats to player stats page.
- Player's games listing now shows "NA" if a game is not counted.
- Updated search page to show more information and be more informative.
- Updated achievements page, it will be turned on when the stats are reset.
- Other minor bug fixes and design changes.

5/18/2009
- Added graphs for each Pantheon tournament.
- Added graphs for maps.
- Added graphs for Demigods.
- Minor bug fixes.
- More changes to back-end for API.

5/11/2009
- Player stat charts! Go to any player's initial page and you'll see some cool new charts and a slightly different layout.
- New tournament lists page (click on View All Tournaments at the bottom of any Pantheon page).
- Added current team progress chart (by percentage) to the right of the Pantheon page.
- Minor performance and back-end tweaks.

4/29/2009
- Lots of back-end changes to prepare for public API.
- Added sorting options to the Top Demigods and Maps pages.
- Updated all pages to make a more consistent error message system.
- Updated player search to avoid certain errors.

4/24/2009
- Maps statistics! You can now view overall statistics for each map, as well as how you did on each map.
- Fixed up some search issues.
- Added "Skirmish Statistics" to the player info page, on the bar to the right (click on Overall Statistics to see a dropdown).
- The games list now shows the game name.
- Tons of changes in the backend to make things faster and more accurate.

4/9/2009
- Added Top Demigods section, showing which Demigods are being used the most, win the most, etc.
- Added Demigods tab to player info page, showing which Demigods each player has played their stats for that Demigod (note: stats are inaccurate for the time being).
- Added Skirmish Rankings tab to Top Players.
- Major changes to how we are collecting stats and data.
- Minor image and backend changes.

4/7/2009
- Added sorting to games list, search sorting coming later.
- Added small arrow icons to headers to show you which column is currently sorted, and in which direction.
- Updated games listing to make it more readable, added a new page for each game for extended info (click on the date to see the page).
- Minor background changes.

3/31/2009
- Sorting now works on rankings pages, has not yet been implemented into other pages.
- Search page columns slightly tweaked.
- Search bar now works properly in Chrome.
- Player info page now shows rank and favor points for overall and custom game stats.
- Other minor changes.

3/23/2009
- New design!
- Added experience and overall rank to search page. All search statistics should now be "overall" statistics, not custom game or tournament stats.
- All pages now have proper headers and titles, should make things easier to navigate and harder to get lost.
- Player info page now shows the player's avatar and lists tournaments the player has participated in by default.
- General player statistics are now relegated to the right side of the player info page. Clicking on "Overall Stats" will dropdown a box that allows you to switch between overall and custom game stats.
- Search box now submits by pressing enter.
- Added message to bottom of ranking page saying "Note: Rankings are updated once daily at midnight EST."
- Small presentation changes for numbers and dates.

3/10/2009
- Added new "Experience" rating on nearly any page that shows a player.
- You can now see what team a player is on for tournament rankings.
- Games list now shows the game type (Conquest, Flag Control, etc.).
- Added player count for each team on the tournament info page (note: this may not be accurate at the moment).
- Added "Top Clans" button that redirects to nowhere (for now).
- Renamed all instances of "Skirmish" to "Custom Games" (let me know if you find any I missed).
- Added tabs to top of rankings pages to switch between Overall rankings and Custom Game rankings.
- All instances of "Forces of Dark" renamed to "Forces of Darkness."
- Minor design, wording, and bug fixes.

3/5/2009
- Redesigned the player page and added tabs for separating stats in a more user-friendly manner.
- Added a player search bar to all Pantheon pages (top right corner).
- Separated skirmish, overall, and tournament stats into individual pages.
- Added an achievements page, but data is inaccurate (see Known Bugs below).
- You can now view a list of games a player has played.
- Clicking on any rank number will take you to the rankings list with that player highlighted.
- Added 2 buttons at the top of the page: Pantheon Tournaments and Top Players.
- "Pantheon Tournaments" button will take you to the latest (active or inactive) Pantheon tournament.
- Top Players now shows overall top players, not skirmish top players.
- Tournament information page now shows each team, the top players for that team, and the team's information.

Once again, the Pantheon statistics website is located at http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com. I look forward to your feedback!

Bara

Comments (Page 20)

286

vow-Zulan

on May 02, 2009

The stats site looks pretty nice, and I'm looking forward to them. I just wanted to tell you that I think it is absolutely important to have a "public api", which seems to be planned . Do not underestimate the power of community driven "mashup" websites when you povide the data. Keep it going!

287

Ke5trel

on May 02, 2009

PS Are the stats gonna be reset when pantheon is fixed?

Please

Not worth tracking stats if the first three weeks you track them are wrong...

288

krazykid2688

on May 03, 2009

Im confused as to the player with 9 minutes played total time, 5-0 rank less then 20... lol He has more than 1k exp...How does he do that?

289

SNOVKA

on May 04, 2009

Will there be a full reset of statistics, after all the problems with network games are solved?

290

GunslingerBara

on May 04, 2009

Scytale

reply 9

GunslingerBara Custom games do not count towards any stats. Custom game stats ARE collected, but kept separate from the overall stats.

If that's the case, what's going on with the rankings currently? The 'Top Player' Razattack1337 has played no games in the current Pantheon, is ranked 489th in Skirmish, but has 122 wins and no losses on Prison almost entirely Custom. His custom game rank is 1st, and his overall rank is 1st. ^^;

krazykid2688

reply 13

Im confused as to the player with 9 minutes played total time, 5-0 rank less then 20... lol He has more than 1k exp...How does he do that?

The decision was not made to ignore custom games until a few weeks after the game launched. However, recalculating the experience rating for each player is not a simple task. We have already tried to do so and I believe we ran into problems due to the amount of calculating it has to do. Think of it this way, we have to go through every game played by every player in order of first played to recently played, then calculate each player against the other players in the game, figure in whether the player won or lost, and take into account the other information we have (favor points, etc.). This process is not easy to fix in the database, nor is it fast.

However, since Frogboy has made the decision to reset the stats soon, we decided we won't be re-calculating the experience. Instead, we'll just try and fix the issues as best we can, reset the stats, and go from there.

As to why Razattack is number 1, that's because he played mostly custom games back before the decision was made to ignore custom games. He basically gamed the system by playing hundreds of quick 2-minute games against multiple AI, thereby shooting his experience up very quickly. I don't want to place blame on him, as it was our mistake for counting custom games to begin with, he was merely taking advantage of something we allowed. I noticed quite a few people doing this, actually. But again, re-calculating their experience is not easy, so they will stay as they are until we reset the stats.

Bearcathead

reply 10

PS Are the stats gonna be reset when pantheon is fixed?

Yes, they will be reset sometime soon. At the moment T-Man and I are trying our best to resolve whatever issues we can. I think that once the stats are reset and you guys start to play some games, you'll notice far less issues with the numbers than we currently have

vow-Zulan

reply 11

We are working on something, but I'm not allowed to talk about it

Bara

291

Kitkun

on May 04, 2009

We are working on something, but I'm not allowed to talk about it

How about under duress?

292

Neilo

on May 05, 2009

I'll bring the hammer!

293

GunslingerBara

on May 05, 2009

Alright, I need everybody's help.

Since we're preparing for the stat reset, I'd like to know whatever issues people are still having with their stats. Please ignore the following for now:

1. Duplicate games showing up in your list (one of which may be a custom game with only 1 player).

2. Achievements not appearing or appearing improperly.

3. Rankings showing odd W/L ratios in the Top Players page.

Other than that, I ask that you play a Pantheon/Skirmish game and a Custom Game in the next day or so and report to me if there are any problems that you notice (your W/L ratio not being updated, your games list not showing the game, etc.). Please note that some stats are only updated at midnight EST so I'd recommend waiting until around that time and checking your stats before reporting any problems to me.

Also be sure to write down if any game you played had anyone quit (and who quit, if possible), or if anything suspicious or odd happened.

If I know what the issues are I can try and resolve them before we reset the stats, so we can start everyone with a clean slate and working, accurate stats.

Bara

294

MrHertz

on May 06, 2009

Last night I did a custom game it was 4v4, 2 players in the game don't show up on the game list, and 1 of the players has unknown team/entity. No one quit or left early.

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/361570/player/35920/

295

GunslingerBara

on May 06, 2009

MrHertz

reply 19

Last night I did a custom game it was 4v4, 2 players in the game don't show up on the game list, and 1 of the players has unknown team/entity. No one quit or left early.

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/361570/player/35920/

Would you happen to have the logs available so that I can take a look and see what happened?

Bara

296

lambdaman

on May 06, 2009

Last night I got into a Skirmish match, then was dropped after a minute or two. I didn't feel like running the connection gauntlet again, so I played it to completion against the AI.

Here's the fun bit: it shows up as a win in my games list, and as a loss in the lists of the other people who were in when it started. That doesn't seem fair to me.

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/361072/player/11954/

297

GunslingerBara

on May 06, 2009

lambdaman

reply 21

Last night I got into a Skirmish match, then was dropped after a minute or two. I didn't feel like running the connection gauntlet again, so I played it to completion against the AI.

Here's the fun bit: it shows up as a win in my games list, and as a loss in the lists of the other people who were in when it started. That doesn't seem fair to me.

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/361072/player/11954/

That may mean your game finished first, so it only recorded the stats of your game. Do the other stats on the game page match up with what you saw in the end-game screen, such as the favor points and time played?

Bara

298

Herakleion

on May 06, 2009

GunslingerBara

reply 22

Quoting lambdaman, reply 21Last night I got into a Skirmish match, then was dropped after a minute or two. I didn't feel like running the connection gauntlet again, so I played it to completion against the AI.

Here's the fun bit: it shows up as a win in my games list, and as a loss in the lists of the other people who were in when it started. That doesn't seem fair to me.

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/361072/player/11954/
That may mean your game finished first, so it only recorded the stats of your game. Do the other stats on the game page match up with what you saw in the end-game screen, such as the favor points and time played?

Bara

let me put it like this

If a fucktard decides to plug pull then he doesent get disconnected... He just continues playing vs the AI (your nick on it)... IF he manages to win the game BEFORE you do ... then youll get fingered...instant loss, even if you are NOT the one that plugged... the stats will match the ones HE did, not yours.. (the legal player) but HIS...

Happens the same in 2v2----->5v5

Just like this for instance

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/363801/player/39928/

maybe you could add something like 30 second grace period as soon as the game starts... if the ALL the players in a team continue playing (not droping or d/c'ed) then the game counts as ranked...... just to prevent 2v1, pullers, d/c that ruins the score.

Joined a game to find out your friend crashed? just quit and start over..

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MrHertz

on May 06, 2009

GunslingerBara

reply 20

Quoting MrHertz, reply 19Last night I did a custom game it was 4v4, 2 players in the game don't show up on the game list, and 1 of the players has unknown team/entity. No one quit or left early.

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/361570/player/35920/
Would you happen to have the logs available so that I can take a look and see what happened?

Bara

I made a mental error on that post the game was only a 3v3, so the only issue was 1 player not having a team/entity.

My log doesnt appear to have any information on the game tho, sorry about that next time a games doesnt record right ill save my log right away I guess.

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GunslingerBara

on May 07, 2009

MrHertz

reply 24

Quoting GunslingerBara, reply 20
Quoting MrHertz, reply 19Last night I did a custom game it was 4v4, 2 players in the game don't show up on the game list, and 1 of the players has unknown team/entity. No one quit or left early.

http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/361570/player/35920/
Would you happen to have the logs available so that I can take a look and see what happened?

Bara

I made a mental error on that post the game was only a 3v3, so the only issue was 1 player not having a team/entity.

My log doesnt appear to have any information on the game tho, sorry about that next time a games doesnt record right ill save my log right away I guess.

Well, having 2 players disappears is one thing, but having 1 player's stats not save properly is another. I'll keep an eye out on the db and see if anything like this has happened before (and on a regular basis). That may help me track down if there's a problem or if it was just a one-time fluke.

Bara

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